Marc and Dustin talk about the latest roster moves, lineups, the long and short term plans for the Knicks, and more
1:00 – Proposed season changes
12:00 – Recapping the week
19:00 – Things devolve into a straight up rant
26:00 – Listener questions
37:00 – Around the League
Pipe Dream Kyrie & Rocket Melo
What can the Knicks offer in their pursuit of Kyrie Irving? Truth is not much. In what seems more and more like a pipe dream since the news broke, the Knicks won’t include Kristaps Porzingis in any deals. The Cavs don’t seem interested in any offer that doesn’t include Porzingis, they’re looking for a Carmelo type haul like the Denver Nuggets got from New York in 2011.
Another factor making a Kyrie to New York deal highly unlikely is that Carmelo Anthony has no interest in playing for the Cavs which means no trade. If Carmelo Anthony was going to the Cavaliers it’s likely it would’ve happened already, the influence of his pal LeBron James would’ve helped make it happen. Carmelo has his heart set on joining his other pal, Chris Paul, in Houston who can’t offer the Knicks suitable enough compensation. Carmelo not considering Cleveland is a little puzzling since he’s almost guaranteed a trip to the NBA Finals for the first time in his career alongside LeBron. It appears Carmelo seems to be concerned with the money
left on the remaining 2 years of his 5-year deal; he’s guaranteed 54 million dollars. In a possible scenario he can waive his no trade clause, play one year in Cleveland with LeBron and quite possibly reach the Finals after he can opt out and join Houston that summer but he would forfeit the remaining 27.9 million on his deal. Carmelo wants to get paid before anything else, plain and simple. He stated before careers shouldn’t be defined by championships. While his addition to the Rockets makes them formidable they are far from the favorite in an ultra-competitive western conference that includes the reigning champion Warriors. The Cavs are asking for an impact veteran, a blue chip player and multiple picks, talks are slow.
As the Knicks continue to weigh their options it’s worth noting that GM Scott Perry has added 5 new executives to the front office to be part of his regime since he was hired in July. The Knicks haven’t had an All-Star point guard start for them since Brooklyn’s very own Mark Jackson all the way back in 1989 before him, Michael “Sugar” Ray Richardson was selected to the All-Star team from 1980-82, you have to go even further back then to get to the iconic Walt “Clyde” Frazier who was an All-Star from 1970-76. Considering the Knicks have had 3 All-Star point guards in almost 50 years in a city that is known to be a hot bed for point guard talent, Kyrie to New York makes a lot of sense, by some miracle New York is one of his top destinations. It helps that Kyrie is a local kid himself growing up in New Jersey, his father being from the Bronx and his godfather is Rod Strickland a former Knicks point guard who is
also a Bronx Native. Super teams in NBA are going to be a trend for the foreseeable future. A Porzingis/Irving foundation points the Knicks in that direction and they should be able to attract top tier talent if there is a union. The Knicks may have to mortgage their future first round picks in whatever unlikely agreement may come for Kyrie. He is what teams hope future first round picks become, a perennial All-Star, a champion with 3 straight trips to the Finals and one of the elite talents in the NBA. It’s an impressive resume for someone yet to enter his prime at only 25 years of age.
- I figured since the Knicks expended almost no energy last night they’d have plenty for the Hawks game and come out on fire.
- Felton and Shumpert did come out on fire, scoring the Knicks first 10 or so points before Melo and Smith decided to continue last nights futility by jacking up terrible shots and missing most of them. Melo also started the game in the mode (which we’ve seen way too often) where he stops and has a lengthy conversation with the ref as to why he didn’t get a foul call while the opposing team keeps playing and gets an open layup. Fortunately that only lasted for the 1st quarter and they both got hot the rest of the game.
- Melo shot 9-12 from 3-point range, tying the franchise record for 3’s (Starks, Sprewell, Sprewell again and yes Toney Douglas) before the Hawks finally caught on in the 4th and refused to let him even take a 3.
- We got on Kurt Thomas case for being a -8 in 2 minutes the other day, well he was +8 in 4 minutes tonight so we’ve come full circle.
- Ronnie Brewer doubled his minutes total from last game, going from 2.5 seconds to 4.9 seconds tonight. The opposing team was scoreless during Brewers time on the court yet again.
- Fast point guards must salivate when they see the Knicks come up on their schedule. I can’t remember the last time a quick point guard, or even a moderately quick one didn’t tear the Knicks a new one.
- Speaking of which, @imadoggarcia and I have been trying to guess which opposing player will have their best game of the season against the Knicks, a.k.a. the Knick Effect. He chose Teague (a fast point guard) and I chose Stevenson (a random bench guy who hasn’t done much all season, a perfect candidate). Teague scored 27, his second highest scoring game of the season and Stevenson had 15, tying his highest game of the season.
- Amare had 18 and 8 and once again didn’t look terrible on defense. If this keeps up this raises the bar for what the Knicks can do this season.
- Kidd left after 5 minutes to nurse a sore back in the locker room and Chandler was in obvious discomfort in the 4th with a tweaked neck. I can’t express how much I hope both of these are very minor injures as it would be heartbreaking to get this close to a full roster only to have 2 guys go down almost immediately.
- Tough ending for Josh Smith. Last 4 plays were a backcourt violation, a turnover, a foul on Amare (which wasn’t a foul at all but made up for the completely ridiculous technical on Anthony that almost decided the game) and a missed wide open 3 that would have won the game. Not very smoove.
It’s hard to take anything away from a preseason game, but I’m in basketball withdrawal so I’m giving you my two cents anyway.
- Last season the Knicks averaged somewhere between 1/2 and 1 3/4 total point guards. This year we have 3. Felton was slimmed down, Kidd is still a savvy veteran and the oldest rookie in NBA history Pablo Prigioni, at 35, looked very good. He hit 4/8 from 3 point land and had a few nice dishes.
- Chandler looked more involved on offense. A few more games like that and teams will have to make sure they always keep an eye on him, which may cut down on double teams from Melo and Amar’e.
- Should I even mention how much better Melo looks without Amar’e? OK, I won’t mention it.
- If you listen to the show you probably know Jay isn’t a huge fan of the refs. Well this game I saw a flop by Novak called as a block and a few flops by Wizards players with no whistles at all. There was actually a play where a player flopped on JR Smith and Smith assumed he’d get called for a foul and stopped playing. I like the non-calls and the block calls on flops. Good start refs! Now lets see how those are called when the Knicks play the 3 evil stepsisters from Miami.
- I’m officially hoping John Shurna gets the last spot. I need to see more of that wacky shot of his.
There have been a bunch of rumors going around saying there might be a trade between the Suns and the Knicks with the main pieces being Steve Nash for Chauncey Billups.
This is never going to happen so don’t get your hopes up Knicks fans. Billups is three years younger than Nash and scores a few more points a game, but they are both in the last year of their contracts and Nash is still playing at a higher level. Continue reading
We talk about the Knicks point guard rumors, Donnie Walsh’s status, the Lakers signing Mike Brown as their coach, steroids in the NBA, the Dallas/OKC series and the Chicago/Miami series. Download Episode 69